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PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy | 528 comments (520 topical, 8 editorial, 6 hidden)
Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy (4.15 / 20) (#21)
by vm hacker on Mon Nov 22nd, 2004 at 17:14:27 EST
(User Info)
PJ sees distinctions between the content of her site and software.  Software should be open sourced.  Licensing of other content is decided based on the utility to the holder.  She wrote this as a comment under her OSRM resignation article:


What is OSRM's business model?

Authored by: PJ on Saturday, November 20 2004 @ 05:47 PM EST

Well, one advantage of resigning is I am completely free to speak. So here is your answer: legal matters can't be handled in the open source manner. They just can't. Not if you wish to win. The community seriously needs to learn to trust and support with greater loyalty those putting themselves on the line. Or reserve judgment if you wish. But to assume the worst renders you less powerful than you could be.

Think about SCO v. IBM. SCO blabbed and blabbed all over the place. IBM said nothing. Which one showed wisdom? DId IBM's silence mean they don't get open source? Don't have the right attitude toward the GPL? No. It meant they are smart about legal things. Legal matters are different than writing software. You guys must learn that, or you will ruin everything. Yes. You.

So she doesn't see her behavior as hypocritical, because it doesn't have anything to do with software.

I'm a little bit confused about her example, though.  IBM may have said little, but PJ said a lot, and it had a large PUBLIC effect (but probably a negligible legal one).  SCO said a lot and it pumped up their stock price.  The legal ramifications may have been negative, but that might have been irrelevant in their motivations.
IBM could have said much of what PJ said, and I don't think it would have made a difference, legally.  The problem with SCO's comments is that they were FALSE, not that they were public.

I think this is simply a culture clash.  The culture of the legal profession is to keep everything confidential, even if it ends up hurting the client.  This month's Atlantic has an article about it called the The  Confidentiality Fetish".

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  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/22/2004 17:37:56 EST (4.33 / 15)
  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by infosecgroupie, 11/22/2004 18:18:25 EST (4.30 / 13)
    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by FrogstarRobot, 11/22/2004 18:50:23 EST (4.63 / 11)
    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by hgc, 11/23/2004 14:15:08 EST (4.37 / 8)
    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/22/2004 18:23:20 EST (3.25 / 8)
    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/22/2004 19:17:00 EST (2.33 / 12)
      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by pfaut, 11/22/2004 19:46:56 EST (4.00 / 10)
        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 00:57:12 EST (2.60 / 10)
          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by hgc, 11/23/2004 01:44:05 EST (4.36 / 11)
            • Please don't feed the trolls by destroy all monsters, 11/23/2004 07:29:46 EST (4.00 / 6)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 20:17:52 EST (3.00 / 7)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by pgk, 11/24/2004 05:41:34 EST (4.40 / 10)
              • Re: PJ runs a blog, not a courtcase by warmcat, 11/24/2004 04:20:46 EST (4.22 / 9)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/23/2004 22:12:12 EST (3.90 / 10)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 18:55:13 EST (1.33 / 9)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by daveventura, 11/24/2004 19:01:46 EST (4.00 / 9)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by JCausey, 11/24/2004 19:44:41 EST (3.87 / 8)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/24/2004 19:35:28 EST (3.55 / 9)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 02:10:37 EST (2.00 / 10)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by hgc, 11/23/2004 03:44:02 EST (4.86 / 15)
                • Why my attribution is important to me. by hgc, 11/24/2004 19:32:02 EST (4.45 / 11)
                  • Re: Why my attribution is important to me. by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 23:06:32 EST (3.90 / 10)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 13:36:29 EST (1.50 / 10)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/23/2004 13:46:59 EST (3.87 / 8)
                    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 18:25:33 EST (1.50 / 10)
                      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/23/2004 21:46:04 EST (4.37 / 8)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:23:02 EST (1.18 / 11)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by pgk, 11/24/2004 08:41:36 EST (4.12 / 8)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by ColonelZen, 11/24/2004 01:03:42 EST (3.88 / 9)
                            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 02:55:35 EST (2.28 / 7)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by tomas, 11/24/2004 07:21:23 EST (4.61 / 13)
                                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 20:54:34 EST (1.33 / 9)
                                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by FrogstarRobot, 11/24/2004 23:27:06 EST (4.09 / 11)
                                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by hgc, 11/24/2004 23:28:27 EST (4.00 / 8)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/24/2004 01:17:26 EST (3.88 / 9)
                            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 02:52:06 EST (2.33 / 6)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by warmcat, 11/25/2004 01:49:35 EST (3.57 / 7)
                                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/25/2004 02:14:34 EST (4.00 / 4)
                                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/30/2004 01:03:53 EST (1.50 / 6)
                      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/23/2004 20:45:51 EST (3.75 / 8)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:24:45 EST (1.00 / 8)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/24/2004 00:26:49 EST (4.00 / 5)
                            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:33:20 EST (1.00 / 5)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/24/2004 00:52:55 EST (4.00 / 6)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/23/2004 14:15:40 EST (3.50 / 4)
                    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 18:27:35 EST (1.11 / 9)
                      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by sphealey, 11/23/2004 19:03:12 EST (4.33 / 9)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:32:19 EST (1.00 / 9)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/24/2004 00:53:43 EST (4.42 / 7)
                            • Re: whaddyasaytothat! by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 01:19:53 EST (1.80 / 10)
                              • Re: whaddyasaytothat! by nono2sco, 11/24/2004 01:28:13 EST (3.71 / 7)
                                • Re: whaddyasaytothat! by daveventura, 11/24/2004 08:49:04 EST (3.75 / 8)
                                  • Re: whaddyasaytothat! by JCausey, 11/24/2004 09:55:31 EST (3.33 / 6)
                                    • Re: whaddyasaytothat! by JohnGabriel, 12/01/2004 22:29:33 EST (3.75 / 4)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by FrogstarRobot, 11/24/2004 00:44:31 EST (4.00 / 8)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by warmcat, 11/23/2004 04:10:36 EST (4.75 / 12)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 13:38:44 EST (2.33 / 3)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/23/2004 14:02:10 EST (4.25 / 8)
                    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 18:34:00 EST (2.14 / 7)
                      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/23/2004 18:41:03 EST (4.33 / 6)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by FrogstarRobot, 11/23/2004 20:17:56 EST (4.00 / 9)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:28:46 EST (2.50 / 4)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/24/2004 00:46:18 EST (4.16 / 6)
                      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/23/2004 21:00:45 EST (3.33 / 3)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:29:11 EST (2.25 / 4)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by warmcat, 11/24/2004 04:55:56 EST (4.14 / 7)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by warmcat, 11/23/2004 14:37:31 EST (3.85 / 7)
                    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 18:35:49 EST (2.00 / 6)
                      • Re: User Hostile by warmcat, 11/24/2004 04:48:41 EST (4.25 / 8)
                      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/23/2004 18:42:29 EST (4.00 / 6)
                        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 00:30:41 EST (2.50 / 6)
                          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/24/2004 00:48:31 EST (3.66 / 6)
                            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 03:00:03 EST (2.00 / 7)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by daveventura, 11/24/2004 08:44:59 EST (4.44 / 9)
                                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 20:55:44 EST (2.33 / 3)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/24/2004 09:53:18 EST (4.14 / 7)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/24/2004 03:07:42 EST (4.00 / 7)
                              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by warmcat, 11/24/2004 05:43:39 EST (3.85 / 7)
                                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 20:56:46 EST (2.25 / 4)
                                  • Re: cannot see glsuck is remotely hostile by warmcat, 11/25/2004 01:59:01 EST (4.16 / 6)
                                    • Re: cannot see glsuck is remotely hostile by mikey, 11/25/2004 02:07:12 EST (4.40 / 5)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/23/2004 02:17:36 EST (3.66 / 6)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 13:39:33 EST (3.00 / 4)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/23/2004 14:20:01 EST (3.00 / 4)
          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/23/2004 01:13:43 EST (3.00 / 4)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 02:11:45 EST (1.14 / 7)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by FrogstarRobot, 11/23/2004 07:13:25 EST (3.87 / 8)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 03:02:49 EST (2.28 / 7)
                  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/24/2004 03:11:22 EST (3.57 / 7)
      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by JCausey, 11/22/2004 20:40:43 EST (4.00 / 8)
        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 00:58:51 EST (2.11 / 9)
          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by JCausey, 11/23/2004 01:58:08 EST (4.60 / 10)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 02:13:47 EST (2.20 / 5)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/23/2004 02:23:42 EST (4.00 / 6)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 13:40:51 EST (3.25 / 4)
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              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by JCausey, 11/23/2004 07:56:51 EST (3.80 / 5)
      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by infosecgroupie, 11/23/2004 00:32:13 EST (3.87 / 8)
      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by br3n, 11/22/2004 19:29:26 EST (3.50 / 4)
        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 01:01:50 EST (1.11 / 9)
      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/22/2004 20:44:57 EST (3.50 / 6)
        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/23/2004 01:00:02 EST (2.33 / 6)
  • Culture Clash by hgc, 11/22/2004 17:38:50 EST (4.00 / 11)
  • PJ Has Impugned Herself And Groklaw by daveventura, 11/22/2004 23:06:57 EST (3.72 / 11)
  • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/22/2004 19:11:51 EST (1.63 / 11)
    • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/23/2004 19:37:47 EST (3.66 / 6)
      • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 03:04:26 EST (2.66 / 6)
        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/24/2004 09:54:51 EST (4.16 / 6)
          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 20:59:47 EST (2.83 / 6)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by JCausey, 11/24/2004 23:36:20 EST (5.00 / 14)
              • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/30/2004 01:11:08 EST (1.75 / 8)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by JCausey, 11/30/2004 10:21:28 EST (4.33 / 9)
                • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/30/2004 11:38:55 EST (3.33 / 6)
                  • Hanlon's Razor by Potentiality, 11/30/2004 14:06:19 EST (3.42 / 7)
                    • Re: Hanlon's Razor by br3n, 11/30/2004 14:36:28 EST (3.80 / 5)
                      • Re: Hanlon's Razor by Potentiality, 11/30/2004 15:12:17 EST (3.00 / 6)
                        • Re: Hanlon's Razor by nono2sco, 11/30/2004 15:44:45 EST (3.83 / 6)
                          • Re: Hanlon's Razor by Potentiality, 11/30/2004 17:28:42 EST (3.42 / 7)
                            • Re: Hanlon's Razor by nono2sco, 11/30/2004 17:46:13 EST (3.50 / 6)
                              • Rants not Ratings! by Potential Recruit, 12/01/2004 09:47:18 EST (2.00 / 8)
                                • Re: Rants not Ratings! by br3n, 12/01/2004 12:31:05 EST (4.00 / 5)
                                • Re: Rants not Ratings! by nono2sco, 12/01/2004 09:58:52 EST (3.16 / 6)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by mikey, 11/25/2004 01:16:51 EST (3.80 / 5)
        • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by daveventura, 11/24/2004 11:15:44 EST (4.00 / 6)
          • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by Potential Recruit, 11/24/2004 20:57:54 EST (2.60 / 5)
            • Re: PJ Reaches a New Pinnacle of Hypocrisy by nono2sco, 11/30/2004 02:15:28 EST (3.20 / 5)

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