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By JCausey, Section Diary
Posted on Wed Dec 15th, 2004 at 23:09:44 EST

Our faithful readers (or perhaps folks from CKX) may recall a couple weeks back when I was taken to task over some of the work I've done in the past that involved M$ products.  During the course of that fun episode, some of you may have run across my business'es web site and if you did, you may have noticed a small entry about me volunteering with the Junior Achievement program.  Well, today was the final today of meeting with the high school class as they start their final exams for the fall semester tomorrow.  And although the "company" still has some work to do, we basically wrapped things up today.

So, it was a time for some reflection and feedback on how things went.  One of the most interesting comments (perhaps because I think it relates back to some of the issues we discuss here), was from one class member who noted that they had a problem with some people not listening to others who were speaking up with a different opinion on a subject.  So we had a short discussion about how important it is for decision makers (that could be any of us depending on the situation) to make sure to get and consider input from as many people as necessary.  One thing that popped into my head - you know you can think a lot faster that what it takes to listen to someone talk - was how important it is to make sure everyone who wants to have input gets a chance if you are ever going to get to the point of getting that input to review/consider it.  Maybe I'm just spending too much time reading meta-discussions about open communication, but I just thought, "how interesting" in relation to all that goes on here and other sites.

During the same meeting, we discussed the fact that the company members had conducted some market research, but ended up dismissing it.  In the final analysis, it seems they would have been better off paying attention to it.  That led to some discussion about making sure we keep an open mind when presented with information that contradicts our (previously) firmly held beliefs.

Perhaps the funniest moment was when one of the individuals made a comment that "grown-ups" working for a real company don't do things like ignore others, get involved in turf wars, etc.  The teacher and I just had to laugh out loud a bit at that and let them know that in fact, that kind of "childish" activity by adults occurs daily.  They were of the opinion that individuals like that should be "grounded", because they sure would be if they tried something like that.

Anyway, in talking with the teacher, she said she made the class work on writing up their impression of the JA program and its usefulness.  She said that without fail, they all indicated they had learned more from that experience, because they had to actually "do it", than from all of the textbook learning they had to do during the semester.  So although their company only partially succeeded, we both felt like the program had been a success in giving them a little taste of just what hard work it takes to keep a business running.

Meanwhile, back to the IP wars world, I ran across a post by stats_for_all over at the Y!SCOX board where he was commenting on some features/failures of software like geeklog or whatever is running the Y! boards.  I even responded to him about some of the things I was trying to address through the selection of the Scoop software for the ip-wars.net site.  Anyway, as the day has worn on, I've started thinking about the problem he was describing and that it is really the problem that so many companies are trying to address through business intelligence systems, knowledge management, etc.  How to get that valuable information to trickle to the top just at the precise moment that you need it.  I don't have any experience with some of the big packages that are used in large corporations, but from everything I read, I get the feeling that no one has truly succeeded at taming the beast (despite what their ads might say).

So, it was some uncanny timing this evening when I got my latest eWeek and found a Scot Petersen article on the semantic web. [As an aside, the online version shows the article title/subtitle as "Data Delivery Is Web's Next Challenge/Opinion: The Semantic Web will rely on RDF and OWL to make data available and accessible via the Internet" whereas the deadtree version I received today has it as "Semantic Web awaits/With 'Third Web,' Everything Could Change - Again"]  The bulk of the article is an interview with Tim Berners-Lee.  Among the quotes that I found interesting were

The Semantic Web is all about data, structured and unstructured, and how to use the Web to get at it. Not just some data, but all of it.
What we can see on the Web, or as the Web, represents a fraction of available data. Most of the data that could be put on the Web can't be because of language or formatting restrictions or because it's stuck in a database.
Again, it just seemed interesting to run across this article in the context of the day's apparent theme of the importance of accessing and using information.

And now for something completely different.  In the deadtree version of eWeek they have their Reader mail section with letters folks have written in (I could not find the online equivalent).  This issue happened to have a letter complaining about an eWeek review of Firefox that extolled its interoperability.  The writer went on to explain how Firefox doesn't play nice with the IIS server he apparently manages (among other things, it commits the cardinal sin of bringing up a "non-Windows-standard dialog").  He felt that Firefox's interoperability really represented a programming effort to the "least common denominator" and it would hurt the features people wanted when they choose a tool (I'm assuming when they "choose" IE).  See, it's all Firefox's fault that M$ stuff doesn't show up like it is supposed to when used outside of the M$ castle (see, all the talk about Castle Groklaw over at CKX has that word in my brain and I can't think of anything better).

So, those are just some rambling thoughts for a Wednesday evening (here anyway).

Jeff

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Re: Water, water everywhere (3.83 / 6) (#4)
by NilsR (nils@paragon.no) on Thu Dec 16th, 2004 at 20:23:40 EST
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So, it was some uncanny timing this evening when I got my latest eWeek and found a Scot Petersen article on the semantic web. [As an aside, the online version shows the article title/subtitle as "Data Delivery Is Web's Next Challenge/Opinion: The Semantic Web will rely on RDF and OWL to make data available and accessible via the Internet"
I've been following the progress of a promising tool for collaboration, called Chandler. It's very relevant in the semantic web context, see for example this quote from their DataModelVision Wiki page:
"Chandler ... should be thought of, as the poster child application for the Semantic Web, i.e., we're the first major legacy-free app to embrace a point of view extremely consistent with what W3C is trying to do here."
Though the tool itself is too beta to yet be useful, the underlying data storage seems more mature, and when I recently described an idea of a differently moderated web forum, the Chandler data storage, or repository was something I've thought about using for data storage.

Interesting times!

--
An unmistakable sign of paranoia is continual mistrust.

Re: Water, water everywhere (3.50 / 4) (#1)
by br3n on Wed Dec 15th, 2004 at 23:22:52 EST
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i have never tried firefox but have used mozilla and if firefox is as good as it then i cant imagine ever wanting to use IE.and why on earth anyone would want firefox to lower to M$ standards? hehehehe
br3n
  • Re: Water, water everywhere by JCausey, 12/15/2004 23:31:22 EST (3.75 / 4)
    • Re: Water, water everywhere by peragrin, 12/16/2004 06:38:21 EST (3.60 / 5)
Bye bye spambot (none / 0) (#10)
by Potential Recruit on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 10:56:51 EST
This used to be a spambot post that is flooding the site. Due to volume, I had to resort to this while I work to block access by these bots. My apologies - thanks for your patience.

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Bye bye spambot (none / 0) (#11)
by Potential Recruit on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 13:09:47 EST
This used to be a spambot post that is flooding the site. Due to volume, I had to resort to this while I work to block access by these bots. My apologies - thanks for your patience.

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