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Daimler: Make SCO start paying now


SCO v The World

By Al Petrofsky, Section SCO Related Articles
Posted on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 01:13:36 EST

Images of the opposition and reply briefs on SCO's motion to stay the Daimler case are now available.

Daimler's very entertaining brief lives up to Daimler's track record of being the most consistently aggressive (and most successful, so far) of SCO's opponents.

(Disclaimers and disclosures.)

Here are some samples from Daimler's brief (I'm hoping someone else will type up the full text):

SCO initiated this litigation in February 2004 -- nearly a year after it brought suit against IBM. At no time did SCO suggest to this Court that its claims were unripe, or in any way related to or dependent upon the outcome of SCO's litigation against IBM. It is only now that its remaining claim about timeliness is about to proceed to trial -- without SCO meeting a single Court-ordered deadline or discovery obligation -- that SCO comes before this Court seeking a stay.
....
In other words, SCO wants to see how its bite at the IBM apple turns out before it expends any resources on the claims it has already forced DCC to defend. Courts, however, do not grant stays to promote this kind of litigation tactic -- sue, force the defendant to expend resouces, then stay the case while the plaintiff decides if it is really "worth it" to pursue the case at some unknown later date.

In conclusion, Daimler states that this motion is so ridiculous that Judge Chabot should not only deny it, but also order SCO to pay the cost of preparing the opposition memo:

The context of SCO's motion, the lack of legal authority to support it, and the absence of any plausible reason for tying the adjudication of this case to the outcome of the IBM litigation reveal SCO's motion for what it is -- a naked effort to manipulate the Court system, and DCC, for SCO's own benefit. DCC therefore respectfully requests that the Court deny SCO's Motion For Stay and award DCC its fees and costs incurred in preparing this Opposition.

I can't wait to find out whether Judge Chabot did that. Alas, I know it will probably be a couple weeks yet before I have the video of the hearing, or the written version of any order that was made at it.

At one point (page 3 footnote 2), I think Daimler lost its head in the excitement when it claimed that, in Michigan, a case cannot be stayed pending another case if there is even one respect in which the two cases are not identical. I haven't looked at the cases each side cites, but SCO seems to do a good job of jumping on that mistake. Of course, Daimler's argument can stand without that point, and it seems that SCO still couldn't find a single case to cite in which the plaintiff successfully sought a stay.

SCO admits by silence that it has indeed missed all the scheduled deadlines in the case, but it blames the whole existence of the case in the first place on Daimler's tardiness.

That would be the same tardiness that SCO wants to be excused from proving at trial.

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Certification DCX 'conceded was required' (4.43 / 16) (#1)
by Al Petrofsky (al@petrofsky.org) on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 02:42:36 EST
(User Info) http://scofacts.org

SCO starts yelling in italics on page two of its brief that "DCX has conceded [the certification] was required by its very conduct in supplying a certification", so I guess someone should respond to that assertion.

Daimler has clearly never conceded that a certification was required. The certification was made by Norman Powell to USL, and a copy was supplied to SCO by Susan Unger, who attached it to this wonderful letter inviting SCO to go fuck itself:

[text and markup courtesy of Steve Martin at groklaw]

DaimlerChrysler Corporation
Susan J. Unger
Sr. Vice President & CIO
Information Technology Management

April 6, 2004

Bill Broderick
Director, Software Licensing
The SCO Group, Inc.
[address]

RE: Your letter to "Chrysler Motors Corporation" dated December 18, 2003
regarding "AT&T/SCO License No. SOFT-01341"

Dear Mr. Broderick:

DaimlerChrysler Corporation ("DaimlerChrysler"), successor in interest to Chrysler Motors Corporation, understands from the lawsuit filed against DaimlerChrysler in the Oakland County Circuit Court (Case No. 04-056587-ck) that The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") believes that:

  1. SCO "owns" certain rights under the Software Agreement referenced above ("SA"), and,
  2. SCO's referenced letter was a proper request for a certified statement under Section 2.05 of the SA.

SCO is not a party to the SA, and DaimlerChrysler has no knowledge of any assignment of the rights of the Licensor under the SA to SCO. According to our records, the SA was assigned from AT&T Information Systems Inc. to UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. on or about November 1, 1990. Notwithstanding these facts, SCO has filed its suit against DaimlerChrysler. SCO's suit appears to be based on an uninformed and inaccurate assessment of DaimlerChrysler's conduct. As a result, and without waiving any of its rights under the SA or under applicable law, including without limitation its right to assert that SCO has no rights under the SA, that SCO has no right to seek the certified statement that its letter requests, that Licensor has waived any right to seek a certified statement under the SA, and that SCO has intentionally filed a meritless lawsuit for purposes of restraining competition, DaimlerChrysler provides the attached information to SCO.

To the extent that SCO's suit is intended merely to obtain the information called for by Section 2.05 of the SA, all such information is contained on the attachment to this letter. Accordingly, DaimlerChrysler believes that this letter should cause SCO to dismiss its suit. Please contact DaimlerChrysler's counsel to discuss and arrange for this dismissal.

Very truly yours,

Susan J. Unger

That letter didn't concede shit.

  • Even more crap from SCO by northsun, 12/06/2004 14:08:36 EST (3.57 / 7)
Text of memos available (3.73 / 15) (#2)
by Al Petrofsky (al@petrofsky.org) on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 02:46:10 EST
(User Info) http://scofacts.org
Scofacts now has text versions: opposition, reply.

  • Duplication problems by JeR, 12/04/2004 15:27:27 EST (3.54 / 11)
    • Re: Duplication problems by br3n, 12/04/2004 20:06:10 EST (3.57 / 7)
      • Re: Duplication problems by nono2sco, 12/04/2004 21:18:10 EST (3.87 / 8)
        • Re: Duplication problems by br3n, 12/04/2004 21:58:37 EST (3.83 / 6)
          • Re: Duplication problems by nono2sco, 12/04/2004 22:02:58 EST (3.60 / 5)
            • Re: Duplication problems by JohnGabriel, 12/04/2004 22:14:55 EST (4.16 / 6)
              • Re: Duplication problems by br3n, 12/04/2004 22:21:03 EST (3.60 / 5)
              • Re: Duplication problems by dwh97007, 12/05/2004 00:19:43 EST (3.60 / 5)
              • Re: Duplication problems by nono2sco, 12/04/2004 22:44:12 EST (3.50 / 4)
            • Re: Duplication problems by pgk, 12/05/2004 06:28:31 EST (3.80 / 5)
    • Re: Duplication problems by Potential Recruit, 12/05/2004 18:55:24 EST (3.40 / 5)
      • Re: Duplication problems by JeR, 12/05/2004 18:56:27 EST (3.25 / 4)
  • Minor correction by rking, 12/04/2004 05:22:35 EST (3.42 / 7)
SCO a party to the contract? (3.63 / 11) (#5)
by Potential Recruit on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 10:24:14 EST
It is unfortunate for SCO that the Novell case is only about SYSV copyrights.  If it included litigation around whether SCO has inherited the rights under the UNIX contracts, SCO would have reasonable grounds for a stay pending a decision on that case -- though the question of why they brought suit while that was undecided would still be relevant.

As things stand, with a no nonsense and intelligent Judge Chabot presiding, SCO is surely going down to a resounding defeat here.  If this is going to trial, it is going to be a hoot!

Motion for dismissal without prejudice next? (3.53 / 13) (#3)
by coredump11 on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 03:00:01 EST
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So, SCO asked DC to agree to a stay or to a dismissal without prejudice.  DC said no to both.  SCO asked the judge for a stay, and the judge also said no.  What are the chances of SCO now trying for a voluntary dismissal without prejudice (which DC will oppose) just before the trial?

  • Re: Motion for dismissal without prejudice next? by JohnGabriel, 12/04/2004 16:42:38 EST (3.77 / 9)
Re: Daimler: Make SCO start paying now (3.42 / 7) (#17)
by peragrin (falconr@juno.com) on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 08:29:14 EST
(User Info) home.rochester.rr.com/degarmoind/Peragrin
Did Slashdot and ip-wars just get the drop on gorklaw by several hours???  

I saw this first on slashdot, then here though it was posted the other way.  
I thought once I was found but it was only a dream

  • Re: Daimler: Make SCO start paying now by nono2sco, 12/05/2004 10:39:19 EST (3.60 / 5)
    • Re: Daimler: Make SCO start paying now by Mac Addict, 12/05/2004 12:51:46 EST (3.66 / 6)
      • Re: Daimler: Make SCO start paying now by heimdal31, 12/05/2004 13:35:14 EST (3.71 / 7)
      • Re: Daimler: Make SCO start paying now by nono2sco, 12/05/2004 13:39:47 EST (3.50 / 6)
Bye bye spambot (none / 1) (#29)
by Potential Recruit on Mon Nov 27th, 2006 at 13:46:18 EST
This used to be a spambot post that is flooding the site. Due to volume, I had to resort to this while I work to block access by these bots. My apologies - thanks for your patience.

Jeff

Bye bye spambot (none / 0) (#30)
by Potential Recruit on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 12:46:14 EST
This used to be a spambot post that is flooding the site. Due to volume, I had to resort to this while I work to block access by these bots. My apologies - thanks for your patience.

Jeff

Bye bye spambot (none / 0) (#31)
by Potential Recruit on Tue Nov 28th, 2006 at 13:27:25 EST
This used to be a spambot post that is flooding the site. Due to volume, I had to resort to this while I work to block access by these bots. My apologies - thanks for your patience.

Jeff

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