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Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank


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By ColonelZen, Section Microsoft Related Articles
Posted on Wed Feb 2nd, 2005 at 10:34:31 EST

Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank
by T. W. Zellers

Just a quickie to keep in practice.

In an article on vnunet, Microsoft's Nick McGrath launches some more standard issue FUD. Most of the statements can be classed as unsupported assertions.

One myth we see is that Linux is more secure than Windows.

This is pejorative in the presumption that it is a myth rather than demonstrated experience.

Another is that there are no viruses for Linux

Hmm, I've never heard that one. In fact I know there are virii which can attack Linux. The difference is that such attacks are not widely successful because Linux is not a monoculture - even within the same distribution users have enormous flexibility in the services and options they run - and the security design of Linux, as with unix-like systems was intended from scratch as a multi-user system, whereas Windows still shows its single user roots. Virii are generally unsuccessful against Linux because it requires an inept configuration to leave the attack vectors susceptible and when vulnerabilities are uncovered they are generally patched (and applied by even marginally competent admins) before an exploit can be written and widely deployed.

Who is accountable for the security of the Linux kernel?

This is a rather transparent confabulation of accountability with vulnerability. And it should be noted that the number of competing Linux distributions, both commercial and not, ensure an interest in seeing that vulnerabilities are patched and quickly; the GPL subsequently ensures that the patches required by that distro's makers are subsequently shared and distributed.

In Microsoft's world customers are confidant that we take responsibility. They know that they will get their upgrades and patches.

Really? I seem to recall a recent study on naked computers attached to the internet... Three minutes until the MS box was 0wn3ed. Please tell me how to configure a box with only some version of Windows to safely connect to the internet without third party hardware or software ... even for just long enough to download the patches and upgrades which still won't protect me.

McGrath went on to claim that another Linux myth centres on the number of open source developers who work to create the operating system. "There a myth in the market that there are hundreds of thousands of people writing code for the Linux kernel. This is not the case; the number is hundreds, not thousands," he said.

It is probably true that the number of active developers on the kernel at any one time is only in the hundreds. But the synergy of open source is that as each kernel is released there are probably thousands who will test the new kernel and provide feedback to the actual developers for each development kernel, and tens or hundreds of thousands - possibly nearing the million mark by now, who will quickly report a problem with a kernel on the stable branch. This works.

McGrath argued that recent growth in Linux deployments came largely at the expense of installed Unix systems, rather than replacement of Windows servers.

The argument that "replacement" is the issue is itself a distraction, or in SouthParkian, a Wookie. I suspect most Linux deployments are servers which would not have been deployed at all, or the service would have been deployed on an already existing box had not Linux been available free of charge and demonstrably reliable and stable. Very likely most Linux boxes implement new services or augment existing services and do not replace existing services and servers until obsolescence claims the old. The low initial cost and low ongoing maintenance makes Linux a natural for a new utility service, whereas the migration cost (to any platform) of an existing service makes direct replacement a relative rarity.

A lot of customers have got trials and pilots of Linux, but are holding back Linux deployment into the mainstream because the operating system does not have the solution stack that they were expecting

This is probably somewhat true in both the desktop and for general (business) application services. But both of these are changing rapidly. Many smaller enterprises now feel that OpenOffice is adequate for their word processing and other office needs. Many business service applications are now becoming available for Linux when once they were Microsoft only.

...there is no single development environment for Linux as there is for Microsoft

"You say that like it is a bad thing." Developers and shops have their choice of tools and can use those which best fit their needs ... and the resulting code usually works on any Linux platform where the requirements are met. And often for various flavors of windows with the appropriate libraries installed as well. In actual fact the quote is not even true for the Microsoft platform as while Visual Studio is by far the most common development environment there are plenty of shops which use Borland and IBM's tools by preference.

In the large, this is mostly FUD, pure and simple. There are a few legitimate criticisms as per the single sign-on comment, but part of that problem is the diversity of Linux/unix services and another large part is deliberate obstructionism by Microsoft. Kerberos and LDAP fulfill part of that need and that will grow as services mature. In the meantime Novell is offering its solution for directory services. Time, maturity and the growing demand for open standardized formats and protocols will allay these problems.

Mr. McGrath your time on the wheel is over. Next hamster, please.

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Copyright 2005 by Terrence W. Zellers. This article is licensed under the Creative Commons/Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 License

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How to Kill Linux (4.50 / 4) (#63)
by mikey (mikey at badpenguins dot com) on Wed Feb 23rd, 2005 at 10:11:08 EST
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John C Dvorak tries on a tinfoil hat.


While chatting over dinner with the executives of a middleware company during the recent RSA conference for encryption and security in San Francisco, I heard about a secret project. It concerned the development of a version of Linux that runs smoothly as a task under Windows. The project was completed and then shelved. Whether it will ever reemerge is doubtful, but it does offer some interesting possibilities and hints as to what Microsoft may be up to with MS-Linux.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1768172,00.asp


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  • Re: How to Kill Linux by bruce s, 04/03/2005 06:31:21 EST (3.75 / 4)
  • Re: How to Kill Linux by rex007can, 02/23/2005 10:18:00 EST (3.28 / 7)
    • Re: How to Kill Linux by nono2sco, 02/23/2005 16:21:22 EST (3.83 / 6)
  • Re: How to Kill Linux by br3n, 02/23/2005 10:23:58 EST (3.25 / 4)
Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank (4.40 / 10) (#8)
by mikey (mikey at badpenguins dot com) on Wed Feb 2nd, 2005 at 11:43:42 EST
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Every time one of these type "reports" is released, it does Linux a favor.  Any competent system administrator knows it is bunk.  Microsoft spends 10's of millions annually to erode it's own credibility.

For starters, 95% of all F/OSS vulnerabilities have absolutely no effect on 95% of the boxes I admin on the internet.  And those boxes number over 50.  It is a simple fact that most of the "vulnerabilities" are in services that are not even commonly deployed in server type situations.  A large percentage of linux vulnerabilities require local account access.  I very, very rarely find it necessary to patch linux boxes.

Microsoft security is a joke.  They sell defective products to an ignorant public.  A few anecdotal examples...

Any operating system that requires administrator level privileges to run something like adobe acrobat reader is a piece of crap.

Ever looked through the services list on a w2k box?  Care to explain what each of them do, why they are necessary, which ones are safe to run on an internet connected box, and which ones you can safely disable without destroying the functionality of the box?

For example, do 99% of home users surfing the internet need the following services running?  What are the chances of 99% of all home users even being able to figure out what the hell these services do?  Here are some examples from W2K Professional:

Alerter
Application Management
Background Intelligent Transfer Service
COM+ Event System
Distributed Link Tracking Client
Distributed Transaction Coordinator
Messenger
Network DDE
Network DDE DSDM
Portable Media Serial Number Service
Remote Access Auto Connection Manager
Remote Access Connection Manager
Remote Procedure Call(RPC)
Remote Procedure Call(RPC) Locator
Remote Registry Service
RunAs Service
Utility Manager
Windows Installer
Windows Management Instrumentation
Windows Management Instrumentation Driver Extensions

When I install a linux box, I know exactly what services are running, because I had to install them.  The only services I generally run are bind, apache, sendmail, cyrus imap, mysql, and openssh.  Of those, only bind, apache, and sendmail need access from the internet.

Would you stick an out of the box W2K or Windows 2003 Server on the internet, running exchange,  IIS, and Microsofts DNS server?  If you are an incompetent idiot you would.

How many people do you know who have received a virus via email or web surfing on a linux box?  

How about ANY windows box?

Over at least 10 years, I have yet to receive an infection on a linux box.  Microsoft boxes, reinstalled them by the 100's for paying customers.  Oh well, there is a sucker born every minute...


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  • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by Sunny, 02/02/2005 12:15:24 EST (3.75 / 8)
    • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/02/2005 15:35:36 EST (3.50 / 6)
      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by Sunny, 02/02/2005 18:05:11 EST (4.00 / 6)
Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank (3.85 / 7) (#11)
by hgc (hgcSPAM@SUXsymuli.com) on Wed Feb 2nd, 2005 at 15:41:07 EST
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Nice article Colonel, thank you.

User Friendly did a nice cartoon on this last sunday

So far, no one had mentioned that MS likes to count 'all' vulnerabilities for an entire distro when counting linux vulnerabilities, while only counting the vulnerabilities for the base OS when counting their own. We have even seen the MS shills count the same vulnerability multiple times (example, one problem in glibc counted as 6 Linux problems, one each for RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, Gentoo, and Slackware). They think we don't notice this crap. I'm sure they don't really think that I am running 6 different distros all at the same time.
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© 2004,5 Harry G. Clayton
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer

Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank (3.75 / 8) (#17)
by deepdistrust (deepdistrustspamwelcome@yahoo.com) on Wed Feb 2nd, 2005 at 23:38:03 EST
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Nicely written rebuttal, though I have a nit to pick. I am not sure how much the security design of Linux plays a role. A virus or trojan can't wreck havoc on the Linux system software, but if it can do whatever an ordinary user can do, isn't that damaging enough? If it weren't for some very bad ideas (like activeX, and showing html in email) and some very bad code in IE and outlook and other programs, Windows would have been immune to most vulnarabilities despite its single-user design, wouldn't it?

  • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/03/2005 00:24:36 EST (4.22 / 9)
    • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/03/2005 11:14:31 EST (3.83 / 6)
      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/03/2005 12:57:31 EST (4.00 / 6)
        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/03/2005 16:18:48 EST (3.60 / 5)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/03/2005 17:08:44 EST (4.00 / 6)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/03/2005 17:26:49 EST (4.00 / 5)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/03/2005 19:32:48 EST (3.80 / 5)
MSFT direction (3.71 / 7) (#26)
by bruce s on Thu Feb 3rd, 2005 at 19:58:08 EST
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One thing I've noticed in the UK general computer magazines is the amount of coverage that Windows XP Media Centre Edition (MCE) 2005 is getting. Sometimes on its own, or group reviews of MCE based PCs.
Even to the extent of "Set up your own MCE PC" articles, which I think strange, as MCE is OEM only, sometimes requires MCE version drivers for devices, or the devices or not supported by MCE.

Bruce S.

  • Re: MSFT direction by harlan wilkerson, 02/03/2005 23:19:11 EST (3.62 / 8)
Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank (3.45 / 11) (#7)
by rex007can on Wed Feb 2nd, 2005 at 10:58:17 EST
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Funny how you hear Microsoft people claim time after time that Linux security is a Myth and that the OSS model actually creates more problem.

But then I've never really seen an example of that. Sure they can probably come up with "possible" senarios and future risks. But I've never actually heard of a real event supporting that claim.

They say that it's not true there are no Virus for Linux. Fine, I've been running both Linux and Windows platforms for years. I have AV software on my Windows machine and NONE on my Linux box. Yet I've never been infected on my Linux Box and on my Win box, well...

They keep claiming that because you don't know who the coders are, someone could put malicious code in a program or even the Kernel itself. I don't remember that ever happening though. Never. But I DO remember a batch of Microsoft Operating Systems shipping out infected by a Virus though. That I DO remember.

I guess it's really true that usually, talking badly about someone shows more about the speaker than the subject...

.... If you love it, set it free.
If it doesn't come back.
Hunt it down, tie it in the yard, and for GOD's sake,
have the thing neutered...

  • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by peragrin, 02/02/2005 16:48:34 EST (3.66 / 9)
    • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by br3n, 02/03/2005 07:19:37 EST (3.83 / 6)
      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by FrogstarRobot, 02/04/2005 21:00:44 EST (3.80 / 5)
        • Knoppix and Knoppix-STD rock my world by hgc, 02/05/2005 18:56:05 EST (3.83 / 6)
    • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/02/2005 17:19:39 EST (3.42 / 7)
      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/08/2005 10:01:10 EST (4.16 / 6)
        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/08/2005 14:35:45 EST (4.00 / 5)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/08/2005 14:59:36 EST (3.80 / 5)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/08/2005 16:01:30 EST (4.00 / 5)
              • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/08/2005 16:44:08 EST (3.80 / 5)
                • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/08/2005 16:54:57 EST (4.00 / 4)
                  • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/08/2005 21:21:40 EST (3.80 / 5)
                    • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/09/2005 01:38:52 EST (3.00 / 2)
                      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/09/2005 07:06:44 EST (3.75 / 4)
                        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/09/2005 10:59:15 EST (3.33 / 2)
                        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by nono2sco, 02/09/2005 10:00:13 EST (none / 2)
                  • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/08/2005 21:01:32 EST (3.75 / 4)
                    • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/08/2005 21:54:09 EST (3.80 / 5)
                      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/08/2005 23:31:52 EST (3.66 / 3)
                        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/09/2005 08:15:52 EST (3.75 / 4)
                          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/09/2005 10:50:34 EST (3.66 / 3)
                            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/09/2005 12:25:07 EST (4.40 / 5)
                        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by nono2sco, 02/09/2005 01:39:06 EST (3.66 / 3)
                          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by deepdistrust, 02/09/2005 11:43:34 EST (3.66 / 3)
              • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by nathanh, 02/09/2005 03:44:20 EST (3.80 / 5)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by codswallet, 02/08/2005 17:03:09 EST (3.80 / 5)
      • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by Sunny, 02/02/2005 18:12:57 EST (3.83 / 6)
        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/02/2005 19:59:43 EST (3.60 / 5)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by Sunny, 02/08/2005 07:51:42 EST (3.75 / 4)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/08/2005 14:21:34 EST (2.33 / 2)
        • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by rex007can, 02/06/2005 16:50:58 EST (3.14 / 7)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by NilsR, 02/08/2005 00:11:31 EST (4.00 / 6)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by Sunny, 02/08/2005 07:47:26 EST (4.00 / 5)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by br3n, 02/08/2005 09:46:44 EST (3.75 / 4)
              • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by nathanh, 02/08/2005 15:15:46 EST (3.75 / 4)
                • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by br3n, 02/08/2005 23:19:04 EST (none / 2)
          • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by pgk, 02/07/2005 18:05:46 EST (3.50 / 6)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by Sunny, 02/08/2005 07:49:30 EST (3.75 / 4)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by ColonelZen, 02/07/2005 22:09:23 EST (3.60 / 5)
            • Re: Another Turn of the MS FUD Machine Crank by mikey, 02/07/2005 20:07:52 EST (3.40 / 5)
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