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Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violation


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By JCausey, Section Microsoft Related Articles
Posted on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 10:09:35 EST

This post may be a little unusual, but what they hey! The Y! SCOX board seems to be dying off what with all the defections after Y! changed their format. In addition, it seems like the SCOX case is close to becoming irrelevant. After the recent news that Magistrate Wells' decision gutting most of the case was upheld, that seems even more so. Plus, this doesn't necessarily tie in directly to SCOX and I don't feel like popping over to the NOVL board to post it. I waste enough time on Y! boards as it is without adding a new one.

So, the news this morning that I find of note is that Richard Stallman recently weighed in on the Novell/MS patent deal and indicated that he does not think it violates GPL2. This was the same conclusion that Eben Moglen reached as well.

Both have indicated that they think GPLv3 should be written to prevent such deals. Such language is not in the current draft, but they plan to include it now I suppose. I haven't seen anything yet, but as I recall Linus Torvalds has indicated in the past that he was not planning on moving Linux to GPLv3. So while the GPL rewrite may help other FOSS projects, the work to close this loophole may not have any impact on Linux itself?

Another item I found interesting related to this whole deal was the response from Samba. I noted in their appeal to Novell:

It deals with users and creators of free software differently depending on their "commercial" versus "non-commercial" status, and deals with them differently depending on whether they obtained their free software directly from Novell or from someone else.

The goals of the Free Software community and the GNU GPL allow for no such distinctions.

I suppose that is pretty accurate as far as the GNU GPL goes, but I'm not sure it necessarily applies to the "Free Software community". After all, BSD-type licenses (at least as I understand them) do allow for differences to be created between commercial and non-commercial distributions. Likewise, the whole CCL framework (kind of a mirror of FOSS software development) allows users to choose between commercial and non-commercial restrictions. Obviously there are parts of the community that do allow for such distinctions.

It is all very interesting to me, especially watching the reactions. It does leave me in a bit of a bind as I am a SuSE user and I am very appreciative of Novell's work in the SCO case. At the same time, it does worry me a bit that Novell has somehow messed up (not sure how yet) in making the deal with Novell. Unlike some others, I guess I am not yet ready to pass judgment on Novell.

Thanks for reading!

Jeff

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Re: Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violat (4.00 / 3) (#3)
by ColonelZen (tzellers lieth within pobox of thy kingdom com) on Sat Dec 2nd, 2006 at 12:39:31 EST
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My opinion, just because I'm a pushy busybody ...

If Novell repudiates any "indemnity" from MS and never acts in any distinguishable way to gain market advantage over other Linux vendors by such "indemnity" then they are GPL2 clear.

But IF Novell markets asserting that indemnity then they are in violation of GPL2, because they will be licensing/distributing GPL material to others who will have less rights to that same material than they.   Novell will have the right to distribute with patent indemnity, but their downstream recipients will not.   It makes no difference that the indemnity does not come from Novell but from MS as the MS/Novell pact makes that indemnity de-facto one purchased on behalf of their customers by Novell.

I think that if a GPL contributor to some package distributed by Novell sent a c&d based upon the above, Novell would have to honor it.   If someone filed suit, my guess is that the likelihood of Novell losting would relate strongly to whether they use that assertion of MS indemnity in marketing SuSE.

The flip side, as I posted on IV, is that were I ever sued for patent infringement for an open source package distributed by Novell for one of the patents at issue, I would certainly argue that MS is estopped from such by their agreement with Novell, that essentially MS has licensed all the patents at issue with Novell for any GPL use.  They KNEW and were presumed competant to know that Novell could not distribute GPL material without giving everyone the rights they have, and their direct statements subsequent to signing the pact make it clear that they do expect Novell to go on distributing GPL material that they allege would otherwise infringe upon those patents.  (IANAL I have no idea whether such would get off the desk, much less how far it would fly).

-- TWZ

  • Re: Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violat by JCausey, 12/04/2006 08:15:19 EST (3.50 / 2)
Re: Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violat (3.50 / 2) (#1)
by br3n on Fri Dec 1st, 2006 at 08:38:26 EST
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i agree that a decision on the novell/ms decision is still unknown.it is too soon to call.
i cannot believe novell would have invested this much money in litigation and purchase of suse and then destroy the goodwill in one sitting.
i also dont fully understand the urgency to fix something not yet broken?
gplv2 is being upheld from what i read?so the reasons for gplv3 dont make sense to me.i am a nontechy so that could be why ?
br3n
br3n
  • Re: Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violat by ColonelZen, 12/02/2006 12:45:30 EST (4.00 / 3)
  • Re: Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violat by AncientBrit, 12/01/2006 17:55:16 EST (3.66 / 3)
Re: Stallman says Novell/MS deal not a GPL2 violat (none / 0) (#6)
by AncientBrit on Wed Dec 13th, 2006 at 08:40:07 EST
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ChocoNutDancer, on IV, points to the following interesting
viewpoint:-
 http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/12/13/51OPcurve_1.html
 

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